I am home now and my point still stands. This site is hard to navigate, the way the subfourms are split under the topics and yet the topic has posts under it also. Sure you may have been using computers sence I was little and no I haven't been able to help anyone on this site but I'm here to lern, not teach. I know very little about blacksmithing but I do know alot about finding info on the net. I am a member of more forums than I can count and I am not exaggerating when I say this has been the worst experience yet. I'm trying to point out what is my reasons for not liking it here and one of the vets jump down my throat? That's messed up. Go to iboats, hottrodders, auto geek, the ranger station... all have a format very different than this and all have been around for years and are still growing. If you want suggestions on how to improve the site, listen without judgment and follow what works. This will likely be my last post here and that's a shame bc this place has/had potential....