Heard, I will take that info to heart. Looks like I have myself a Anvil then :). If I were to have the steel plate welded to the stake would it provide enough improvement to make it worth the trouble? Frosty, you are usually the first one to respond with helpful advice and not tell me to just use some clay in a bucket and use my forehead as a hammer like they did in the good ol days lol ... this has been a year and a half long project ( I move slowly with stuff like this lol) .. just wanna say I appreciate the help.