Dale Russell, first of all if you had a problem with me in chat, the mature thing would be to privately message me, not post it on a topic which is used for sharing of knowledge. I told you I had read Mr. sells book twice, because I have, yes it was very helpful, but it did not contain the answer to my problem. when we spoke in chat I acknowledged your tip about the metal needing to be hotter did I not? I even used it the next day. now if you have more to say to me, which is helpful and not worthless quarreling for both of us, please message me. TYF