NickOHH

4 hours ago, Alan Evans said:

4 hours ago, Alan Evans said:

Ah, I think you are talking about using the bandsaw in a vertical position like a wood one with a table. I thought the OP was talking about using it in the horizontal position with the vice as a cut off saw.

My old Elliot will do both. You can bolt a table onto it when it is lifted into the vertical position like in the OPs photographs.

Which is it natenaaron? A problem in vertical or horizontal mode?

Alan

Most of my bandsaw experience is with vertical bandsaws , but wouldn't blade drift still be an issue to deal Ruth in either position? It's a shorter cut so it wouldn't walk as far, but the blade still has a certain amount of twist to it, every blade is different . Feeding to hard would also cause a more dramatic effect. It would be my thought that as long as there's a band there would be twist, and where there's twist it won't cut straight .

With bandsaws you must compensate for drift caused by the blade twisting a little bit as forward pressure is put on it that must be compensated for. take a peice of something metal plastic some kind of sheet , draw a line and push it straight, this shows how much it wanders, if your setting up a rip fence you would want to angle it that much to get a straight cut.

Nice job , look way better than my first pair. But I agree make another pair and then a few more and compare em all.

A good experiment would be to cut 3 equal sized pieces and heat to the same temp/color and try one in brine, water and oil and use a file to compare the hardness.

.3 for oil as in 1/3 of an inch, only for really small stuff. So I would use brine , could probably swing just water though.  No problem I miss read so I wanted to make sure I corrected it, just because it is "never recommended" for forging doesn't mean ya can't either I'll be waiting to see how it turns out.

Well for full hardness 48-52 rc depending on exact carbon content you should use brine not oil, oil for sections around .3" or less. You could definetly try it and find out since you have it already, I just don't know if I would trust not running into issues if you made a bunch of em. I would try it.

My main hammer is the a diagonal peen (left in the first picture) weighs about 2.5-2.75 haven't weighed it. And I've been using a 3# cross peen for my normal work, both forged by me. Been using a 7 or 8# strait peen for larger work but I don't have a pic of that handy.

41 minutes ago, Beatsy' s Forge said:

This is what I  have found on the steel. The sulfur but I have also read a few articles that someone has made a few hammers from it and he said it worked ok .But anyone that can give some assistance in this it would be greatly appreciated. 

THANKS IN ADVANCE. 

Did he forge them though or just make hammers i.e. Machining them from what I read it would make a decent hammer but forging it could lead to problems. 

Nice ausfire, I've had a similar idea but haven't peeled myself away from toolmaking lately. 

Very nice work!

Actually I may have jumped the gun, from the heat treaters app on my iPhone it says never recommended for for forging, someone may be able to chime in with more detailed info on this. Used as a machine steel then heat treated, I would think it is the sulphur content possibly, but I could be wrong.

28 minutes ago, Crazy Ivan said:

I use my 6 lber and my 3.5 lber the most. That and my 10 and 14. All of them are used daily. I can only find a pic of my 6 lber right now though. Made by me. 

I swear this hammer is hollow though, it feels like swinging a 3# hammer... I know what kinda hammer I want now 

Its a magnese steel resulphirized steel , medium carbon , wouldn't be the BEST steel but i would think it would be ok, says full hardend it will reach 52 rc.  If I had it I would certainly try one.

Wow, we were just thinking of Doug today with crazy Ivan and jsw... Sad news indeed...

4 hours ago, Derek Melton said:

Thanks, 

I'm wanting a 4lb(ish) rounding hammer and I think I'd need 2 inch diameter by 4.5 inches long....

You will lose a bit to the plug from punching, scale(small but there) and grinding so it could possibly end up a bit lighter, depends on exactly how much of each are in the process. 

26 minutes ago, Daswulf said:

Nice work Nick. 

18 minutes ago, Buzzkill said:

Agreed.  Based on the pictures I would have assumed you bought the head and just modified the handle if you hadn't told us otherwise.

Thanks for the kind words, took a bit of grinding to get it to my standards, mainly for balance chopping, we'll see if I can get the next one forged to finish. 

I guess I need to stock up on steel and get to work then.

Tried my hand at forging a carving hatchet the other weekend with some assistance from @Crazy Ivan.     Forged from 4140, eye is a bit smaller than I would like but I will need to forge a bigger drift for that, after some abuse the handle is holding up good so it shouldn't be an issue.  Final weight is just about 2# , haven't put it on a scale yet, heavier than my other carver though.  Asymmetrical bevels flat on the inside convex on the out ground for righty use. Handle was carved from ash, burned than a couple coats of blo and a light buff with a waxed rag. 

I like the center punch , leaves a physical indicator. If I'm hot cutting or fullering a longer line you can just mark either end , maybe throw a couple light ones on the middle to reference where center is. The more you do it though the easier it gets to stay on track , take your time and make sure you are centered and start slowly then if your off you can move it without serious marks or damage.  Practice practice practice

That is one darn good way to make yard work more fun!! Way to show some initiative and not let lack of equipment stop you from gettin started smashing some steel!

If I were to try this I suppose I would use a peice of 5160( new not a peice of leaf spring) stock removal since you have limited tooling available.  Rough the blade bevel, start cutting the teeth for the saw in a pruning saw style( cuts on pull and push strokes with deep valleys to remove chips), harden, temper, finish shaping saw teeth with correct fleam angle, finish grinding the bevel then bring teeth and blade to final sharpness. the saw won't be as good as carrying a folding saw with a knife , and the blade won't chop nearly as well as a hatchet.

2 minutes ago, Charles R. Stevens said:

I think one would want to heat treat before cutting, sharpening and setting the saw blade teath. 

For a traditional handsaw , certainly but there would likely be much less thickness to a saw plate than than for a knife that will be seeing abuse, wouldn't finish them but I would get them started before heat treating then sharpen and set. Just like you would rough the bevel first on the blade. Would make cutting the teeth less time consuming I would think and save wear on a saw file. 

What kinds of wood will the saw be cutting , green or dry, will it be crosscut or rip or a hybrid, how much set on the teeth. The art of saws is pretty complex and most saws are pretty specific in their use . A rip saw will crosscut but it won't do it as efficiently as a crosscut, and a general purpose saw from a big box store is mostly junk. Then add the complexities of knife making and you are in for a good challenge, all the info is here but are you ready to spend many hours making the blade then filing and setting teeth to possibly ruin it hardening it?? I would want to try heat treating some other things before I risked throwing it into the scrap pile.  Not saying it can't be done by any means , but you may want to learn to swim before trying  to swim the English Channel.

I would imagine a cheap blade in the 7-8 tpi for wood would cut those just fine , lower will cut faster but leave a rougher surface higher will be clean but slow. Variable and skip is more for resawing were the blade is buried in a lot of material ( think ripping a 2x6 into 2 1x6's) skip allows room for the dust to get out of the way and variable is keep the resonance of blade down. But this woodworker seems to neglect the bandsaw and use the old diston handsaws hangin on the wall. 

I have hit lots of rocks and various other hard objects mowing grass, trashed hundreds of blades and have never actually broken one, they all just bend, not saying impossible but I have never seen one break off in the past 16 years. 

6 hours ago, Stash said:

How did you get a day off, you slacker? What's that sound I hear? Is it grass growing? Git back out there.
 Nice work there, Bud. Nice fat pein, good size. Izzat your main hammer now?

Steve

It was easy! I just had to break all the equipment lol truck in the shop and a mower acting up, but I feel like I may have worked just as hard!