Yeah you are right Frosty, it was worth a little smoochin alright. That was my first rose I made, I think it turned out pretty fair. I wanted all forge welds, but I couldn't do it. I had to go start up my welder and hook up the wire feeder. I got one leaf forge welded on really nice with the help of my daughter being my striker. But the base and top leaf I couldn't get those. Part of it I think was the awkward spots I was trying to get into to do them. I did have all of them sticking in the forge, but I just was not able to get them out of the forge and onto the anvil fast enough to weld. They lost welding temperature fast because they were fairly thin material. The whole thing standing on it's base is about 16" high I believe and the rose itself is about 4 1/2" in diameter.