lol thanks guys. no, i'm not insulted, I just tend to be straight forward when answering or asking a question. I understand where you are coming from and yes I should have put more information on what I was wanting. Happily you answered my entire question and easily more and yes I am not experienced enough to do this but I am going to try anyway so I can learn how hard it can be and maybe learn things that I can adapt to other projects. Thanks for your experience and knowledge... I think :)