Thx mark. yeah i was using rail road track for awhile. but no matter how i strapped, spiked , or chained it down it hopped more then i liked. Im still building towards what people would consider a shop. forge, grizzly grinder, couple hammers some track and bar stock. and yeah i got a guy half mile from me with what looks like a 200+ lb anvil in his front yard with a flag pole welded to it. crying is the only emotion guys like us could have for something like that.