good advice Thomas , I actually am a member of the psabgsc, (phillip simmons artist blacksmith guild of south carolina) in fact thats where i got my first anvil, but i am frustrated with it , its been repaired, but its beat up and i didnt see a crack in the horn until it was too late, (about an 1.5 inches broke off when i was working last week.) so im looking like everybody else... blacksmith depot is about a hour drive, and its tempting to break out the credit card but I'm still gonna keep looking before i go with that option. I really shouldn't spend that kinda money right now :)