Metalsculptingben Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I am trying to make a shape and I need some help. I want to make a trapezoid, but with the sides curved in. Yesterday I cut four sides to make the trapezoid. They were four inches on the bottom and two inches at the top. Then I placed them in the forge to get them to temperature. Once they were hot, I hammered them into my swage block. After they were cool, I tried to fit them up and nothing fit. Does the original shape need to be more like an hourglass instead of a true trapezoid side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy k Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 You have to account for the angle of the sides instead of measuring off a straight on side view, so the angles of the actual pieces ends will be slightly different from the side view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) We need more information and drawings.What is the starting material and dimensions? Solid or hollow? How long? etc. What does the ending shape look like? How much curve and on what sides? Edited July 23, 2015 by Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 More info please "I hammered them into my swageblock" means nothing without specifics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalsculptingben Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 Here are two photos of my attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swedefiddle Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Start by making what you want in Plasticene or Play-Doh. You can figure out what material you need and how much.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles R. Stevens Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 The curve is probbably wrong, one can try adjusting cold, or hot, i think if i was trying to make said trapizoidle box I would try welding it up first then heat and adjust buy oenching the hot corners, the sides should curve, gental nudges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothBore Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) As I understand your description, ... you're trying to create a "truncated pyramid" shape, ... with 4 concave sides.I suspect the problem stems from 2 possible issues.First, ... the concave curve of the 4 sides, needs to inscribe a "decreasing radius" as it transitions from the wide end, to the narrow end of the trapezoid.The tapering Horn of a London Pattern Anvil would be much better suited for this, than the "constant" radius, of a Swage Block.Second, ... due to the decreasing radius, ... the angled "sides" of the trapezoid will need to start out with a slight radius, ... in order to compensate for the decreased cross-section, brought about by the concave curvature. A piece of paper, cut to the desired shape, would be useful in "visualizing" how that all works in 3-dimensional space.Obviously, ... the trusty AutoCAD makes it easy to just "draw" the shape, and then let the "dimension" function, to tell you the lengths, angles and radii. I do this ALL THE TIME, ... and am always gratified by the ease of assembly, ... of complex 3-dimensional shapes, ... facilitated by the accuracy this process engenders. Hope I correctly understood your project, ... and Good Luck. . Edited July 23, 2015 by SmoothBore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 As SmoothBore said, use paper or cardboard to make the project. Then take it apart and use the paper or cardboard as a template to make the pieces in metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalsculptingben Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 SmoothBore you are exactly right. Thank you for your input and I'll try to make it out of cardboard now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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