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Tite hammer tooling for forging knife tapers


petere76

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Gents,

I saw a video on a japanese knife maker using his powerhammer to set the taper on his knives. it was difficult to see the angle of the tooling but it worked like a charm and it did not mar the grind line. Anyone have a diagram or pic of the tooling that serves this function.

I have spring swages for setting the short taper on square stock. However, this tooling doestn work well for knifes. Not having seen a good view of the setup, i'm not sure if it is a lower taper and a flat upper or a matched set. I have a Clay Spencer tire rig and it has served me well. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance and a very Merry Christmas to all my fellow iron bangers out there.

Peter

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Iron,

" the forging of a hunting knifeTosha Japan, 2013" , seen on U tube. I wasent able to copy the URL, says it wants a subscription. i' m working off a ipad as well, that may be an issue. The bevel is dine later in the video but the best shot of the hammer tooling is in the beginning. Let me know what you think.

Peter

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i don't think there is any special tapering tool involved. It looks like he is just using the edge of the hammer to thin the edge (likely a slight radius to stop it cutting in and marring) and then a flatter to dress the steps into a taper. I do the same with the flat dies on my flat hammer, only mine really needs the cleaning up since my hammer hasn't been dressed yet! 

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Gents,

Spent the morning making a tapered lower die for the hammer, grinder and belt sander machiningI believe the japanese smith has a crowned die wheras he can work both sides to true the taper. I will check out Stormcrows video. I have a good supply of scrap leaf springs and I am determined to figure this out. Never having done many real knives my scrap pile is directly proportional to my many attempts. I persevere . Thanks for your suggestions.

Peter

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The die size and the knife size would dictate wether you can taper your die both ways from the center. I do belive I have seen stormcow's vidoe. If i remenber righ his die se is substasualy radiused on the high side, alowinf him to use it as a drawing die, wile alowing him to also forge tapers, not just knives, but punches, chisels and axes with out changing dies.

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Charles,

Ifound the stormcrow powerhammer synopsis. The dies are mirrors and they have a shallow and a steep side. The radius is large. The video also details their function as well as other custom tooling Mr. Helm produced. I certainly have the idea now. After viewing much of the library I can say that Mr. Helm is a class act.

Peter

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"Yeah James. I need to order an Aggression done up like the sniper one you made... no I'm not a sniper... no sir, not even in the military. Yessir, I read where you posted you were only taking orders from certain groups, and I qualify. ... Yessir, I'm a volunteer firefighter. ... Why do I need a combat knife you ask?... well, that one looks like it could chop through a door like a fire axe... "

Not sure that convo would work out that well. LOL

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I concur with Dave's conclusion: fairly flat face with a slight radius.  Was very interesting to watch him forge the bevels in with it, and was a bit surprised to see the hydraulic press for slitting and spreading open the magane (I think was the term) base to sandwich in the high carbon core.  Usually in videos I've seen of Japanese bladesmiths, they use a handled chisel under their hammer.  I think the press is a darn good way to go, though.

 

You might also search on Youtube for the KA75 forging knives.  The guy works his steel too cold for the demo, but it does a good job of showing a taper and flat combo being used to forge knife bevels.

 

It's tempting to make some knife-specific dies with a shallower taper, but I have a lot of other things needing my attention before that.

 

LastRonin - I'm slowly whittling down on my list of commissions!  :)  Eventually us civvies can get blades too.

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