Glenn Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Show me a twist that you put into steel, and describe how it was made. It can be a simple twist in square bar, a pineapple twist, a cube twist, a wheat twist, a decorative twist, and the list just goes on and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 BP We have just done a twist course at Westpoint this weekend, here are some of my notes The bar is then twisted a known number of times, and then untwisted half the number of turns whilst pressure is exerted to push the split part of the bar back into itself, compressing the twist and forcing the cage outwards to the required shape, adjust if required. Cage twist pictured is a parallel sample, These twists are all made using the same basic twist and using different numbers of incised lines on the centre lines, if you move the position of the incised lines before twisting, and forging the corners, you will get even more different effects or appearances. The combinations are only limited by your imagination. Here is another sample that is similar but different to a previous one shown. This one has four sides incised, not on the centre line this time, but near and adjacent to two of the edges, with the two opposite corners knocked off into a rounded ed Another variation is a small flat is forged the length of the twist on each corner/edge, an incised line is applied on each edge and then the bar is heated and twisted. Ribbon twist Incise two opposite sides near to the edge, the length of the twist section required, and then make a short ¼ twist, then make a reverse ¼ twist at the desired spacing, and repeat along the required length If you apply the same principle about development and you can produce a pineapple twist, or three separate styles of twists starting with; A square bar is twisted, then the twist’s high spots are forged back to the original square bars’ size The bar was differentially twisted as opposed to equal twists, and you can clearly see the difference it makes in the appearance of the facets. This was due to lack of uniform heating throughout the twisting operation However, if you incise the four sides on their centre line, twist a known number of times, then flatten to square, incise again on these ‘new’ sides and reverse twist half the number of previous twists, and if arranged correctly will give a Pineapple twist or Diamond Twist effect Incise down centre line on all four sides, then cut using a hacksaw or thin blade on angle grinder the equal sections diagonally across opposite edges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksnagel Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 John, Very impressive post. Very informative. Thanks so much for posting all the different types of twists. Mark <>< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spears Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Notch the corners of a square bar with a hacksaw or gullitine tool and the twist looks like squares stacked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_edge2 Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Nice twists John B, I've never done a twist course, but I muck around.http://m.flickr.com/...fun/5847303349/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Had an opportunity to have a play for a couple of hours, (don't have many of these now) and so here are the results, material was 5mm bar, in a coke forge. A couple of the corn on cob /twisted/braided variations, And a first and second attempt at the Claydon Knot, without any special tooling, just using anvil, bending forks and swage block/pritchel hole on anvil and punch Didn't particularly like the first attempt, didn't quite look right Second attempt looked better, but with a couple of mistakes, not symmetrical, and a miscut on one of the component bars We have a multiple twists course this weekend, so may have a chance to pass these on if we have time outside scheduled programme. Had fun, darn I miss my forge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
671jungle Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 7/25/2011 at 2:42 AM, John B said: We have just done a twist course at Westpoint this weekend, here are some of my notes Is there a way to retrieve these photos? Is there a list elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Coke Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Greetings 671, Lots of possibilities. Here are just a few that I have on display. Forge on and make beautiful things Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
671jungle Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 very nice. is this a menu for customers to choose from? Nice Saws! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Coke Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Greetings 671, Just a few on display. Mostly done cold . Yes they were made for customer selection but I no longer accept commissions. Forge on and make beautiful things Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 8 hours ago, 671jungle said: Is there a way to retrieve these photos? Is there a list elsewhere? I think those pics were lost to the bloody altars of the upgrade gods. It would be great if they could be recovered. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 That collection of twists should be sold as a poster for "ideas". 671; I just found at the scrapyard a cross cut saw with a horseshoe crudely riveted on for a handle. It's on the wall of my shop now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 23 hours ago, 671jungle said: Is there a way to retrieve these photos? Is there a list elsewhere? These are some of the ones in solid 1/2" square bar, I'll see if I can find the old samples and photo them again. I also have a selection of multi strand twists we have done on courses and elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
671jungle Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Thanks John! These are great! 8 hours ago, ThomasPowers said: cross cut saw with a horseshoe crudely riveted on for a handle. That sounds like something from “Silent Hill”. Bet it’s a beast to use. I’m a big fan Frankenstein projects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Nice display of twists John, thank you. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyGoatLady Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Yes, thank you John. Some of those twists I've never even seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 It's not a full sized 2 man saw though that handle would probably work better if it was. I have a weakness for crosscut saws as I attribute my marriage to one...Our "marriage saw" was a 1.5 man saw (D handle on one end and upright shaft on the other.) I and my now wife of 35 years used it to saw up a large dead choke cherry tree that had fallen in her yard. The saw was found in a decrepit shed on the place and was old and rusty and not very sharp and after we spent a heap of hours pulling it back and forth between us and talking; I figured if she could put up with me for so long doing that; she might be able to put up with me in marriage. I'm still waiting for her to wise up...That saw is stored in my study for sentimental reasons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Snuffy Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 That's a fantastic story, sir. Thanks for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
671jungle Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 12 hours ago, ThomasPowers said: "marriage saw" I started my day reading this. Thank you, beautiful story. I don’t know what I would do without mine. Some would say she is to blame for all this inspiration to become a blacksmith. My love is a fire dancer/samba dancer on top of being my jiu-jitsu training partner for a number of years. there is much in common with the primal side of nature. Marriage Saw is quite the twisty term. Speaking of twists, anyOne do tooling type twists (augers, drill bits)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Thanks for the "marriage saw" story Thomas. It's a great mental image. Here's to another 100+ anniversaries. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Well I do some "anti tooling twists"; when I run across auger bits in too bad of shape to be worth restoring; I heat and hammer them flat and use them to make desert plants---like ocotillo. My mother was once complaining to me how my younger adopted siblings dogs were destroying her plants---so I made one they couldn't destroy! BTW 671; do you need some augers? I believe it was a train track repair depot dumped several hundred pounds of augers in my local scrapyard and so I have a few...Too nice to reforge IMNSHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
671jungle Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, ThomasPowers said: BTW 671; do you need some augers? I do not. If I did, I know who to ask. I was just curious since we are relighting the torch on the subject. I sure need a Scrapyard like yours around. Still feeling my way around the SLC industrial. A tool steel ocotillo would make for an intimidating flower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMarechal Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 11:03 PM, John B said: Could anyone give a little instruction how to make these kind of twists? Thank you very much Greetings Sascha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Hi Sascha, Preparation for both is the same, Incise two opposite sides near to the edge, the length of the twist section required, then make a short ¼ twist, then make a reverse ¼ twist at the desired spacing, and repeat along the required length Both twists are basically the same, one has a quarter of a turn, as long as you wish, The second twist is the same proceedure, but a half a turn twist is used, I believe these were known as Water twists The quarter twist has the incised line showing at the edges in an intermittent pattern, the half twist results in the incised line visibly running in each section , it does not show in the picture, as it was taken from the no show side You could do the same twists but without the incising. Enjoy ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMarechal Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Hi John, Thank you very much for the description! Will try it out next time and show the results! Greetings Sascha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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