NeatGuy Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I am sure that this has been asked before, but since I have not seen it ... I will ask again. If I quench H13 chisels in the anti-seize grease that I use between uses will I risk re-hardening them and hence risk breaking them. brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle Brooks Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 http://www.integritysteel.com/aisi-h13-hot-work-tool-steel.htmlNote: When oil quenched, this grade is as vulnerable to cracking and has the same distortional characteristics as an oil hardening tool steel. h13 is really tough and can still hold alot of its integrity at a red heat. I would not recommend quenching it and let it air cool. We have 2 tools to rotate through for the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Emig Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I did some research a while back on H13 on Carpenter Steel website (very informative website-more info than I needed) and it said that you can cool H13 in water in use and it will not harm the material. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeatGuy Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 http://www.integritysteel.com/aisi-h13-hot-work-tool-steel.htmlNote: When oil quenched, this grade is as vulnerable to cracking and has the same distortional characteristics as an oil hardening tool steel. h13 is really tough and can still hold alot of its integrity at a red heat. I would not recommend quenching it and let it air cool. We have 2 tools to rotate through for the process. I was thinking of this route but I like to grease my chisels as I use them. If I alternate chisels can I grease them after they have had a cooling period with no ill effect ? brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWooldridge Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I was thinking of this route but I like to grease my chisels as I use them. If I alternate chisels can I grease them after they have had a cooling period with no ill effect ? brad H13 is quite tough so alternating them should have no ill effect. I have a very thin but wide chisel that I typically water quench and it has held up well over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I made an enquiry to a tool steel provider re the use of SI or H13 for making blacksmiths punches/chisels some years ago, and whether to quench or not when in use, and this was their replyIf using S1 as a cutting tool then as long as it does not dwell on the red hot steel and the tool edge not exceed 600o C, then the hardness will not be affected. Should you require a steel that is totally unaffected by water then we strongly recommend H13 which will maintain medium hardness and is ideally suitable for hot work applications. Greasing after use and when being 'stored' should not affect them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Been over this one many times. In our world, it's not "quenching" unless the steel is above austenizing temperature. Otherwise it's just "cooling". I like to use a bucket of hot tap water and rotate two punches. Like to avoid thermal shock even if there is no harmful metallurgical effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce Masuk Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I just bought some h-13 and s7 off ebay as well as some a2 usually it seems most people just anneal the steel these steels and put them to use since you need a digital oven with ramping temp's to heat treat them to the book I have seen people using anti-seize as a lubricant and same with moly paste I dont know what works best but it all seems to make some kind of smoke as you use it. I dont know what works best but I would like to know what other people do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric sprado Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I'd rather endanger a punch than my health by breathing anti seize or moly paste fumes!!!!!!YUCK When I do lots of punching I keep a bucket of warm water with a cup of soap flakes in it.. Like Grant said-we're not quenching here-just cooling. I'm not a bonafide blacksmith but I punched a lot of holes in jumper and polo horseshoes over the years for drive caulks. Both H13 and S7 held up well for me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeatGuy Posted July 10, 2010 Author Share Posted July 10, 2010 I'd rather endanger a punch than my health by breathing anti seize or moly paste fumes!!!!!!YUCK When I do lots of punching I keep a bucket of warm water with a cup of soap flakes in it.. Like Grant said-we're not quenching here-just cooling. I'm not a bonafide blacksmith but I punched a lot of holes in jumper and polo horseshoes over the years for drive caulks. Both H13 and S7 held up well for me.. I have been using moly grease for years is there a better alternative?. I have lots of H13 so I made two more chisels today and will be rotating them and cooling. I assume the soap acts as a surfactant? brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkrankow Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 I am using the salt lube that was in the blue prints. Hofi's recipe, 1 pint water, salt to saturate and a tablespoon (or so) of dish soap. Seems to work well, but I haven't used other methods to compare. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I just bought some h-13 and s7 off ebay as well as some a2 usually it seems most people just anneal the steel these steels and put them to use since you need a digital oven with ramping temp's to heat treat them to the book I have seen people using anti-seize as a lubricant and same with moly paste I dont know what works best but it all seems to make some kind of smoke as you use it. I dont know what works best but I would like to know what other people do That's what I like about H-13, it's very easy to heat treat by eye. Been doing it with great success for more than 30 years. Heat to 1950F (orange bordering on yellow) cool in front of a fan or in oil if you're feeling lucky. Oil gives better hardness and is usually safe on on a uniform part like a punch. Stay with air on a slitter. Let cool until a little more than warm to the touch. Draw at 950-1100 (a very wide window here) You can judge that very easily, it's the first black/red heat you can see holding the part in a nice dark shade. If you're gonna use it annealed, don't waste your money on tool steel that only has it's wonderful stated properties when heat treated. I used to punch around 800 holes a day around 1"D through 1" thick material. Punch rarely needed dressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_edge2 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 like Grant sez.....as you can see though im a bit more high tech than Grant, you can see the digital temp cont furnace, the digitally controled cooling rate air quench, etc....lol..... works for me h13 punch die for the enerpac 35 ton portable, ...kid blew up the other one....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles R. Stevens Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 I use bees wax as it is not messy to hall in my shoeing rig. Melts wen the hot tool is dipped in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_edge2 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 I use bees wax as it is not messy to hall in my shoeing rig. Melts wen the hot tool is dipped in it. i use a mix i saw on here or somewhere else the lard, auto trans fluid and wax, sets hard, transports well, and dont breathe in.....lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 I use a mixture of Kahlua, Jamoca Almond Fudge ice cream and half and half. Keeps me lubricated AND I get the four food groups: Alcohol Cholesterol Caffeine and Chocolate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfootnampa Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 OOOps! You didn't mention the twin "staffs of life": ice cream and milk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainely,Bob Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Long as we`re ordering comfort food I`ll take a sugar sandwich on white bread,and an uber-large diet Coke.Super size that please! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkrankow Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Long as we`re ordering comfort food I`ll take a sugar sandwich on white bread,and an uber-large diet Coke.Super size that please! You want some honey on that sugar sandwich? That's how I made them when I was about 6. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainely,Bob Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 You want some honey on that sugar sandwich? That's how I made them when I was about 6. Phil Well of course,and 2 sticks of butter too.Slice it thin if you don`t mind. Cut the crust off too while you`re at it. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_edge2 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I use a mixture of Kahlua, Jamoca Almond Fudge ice cream and half and half. Keeps me lubricated AND I get the four food groups: Alcohol Cholesterol Caffeine and Chocolate! and id throw in a toasted ham and cheese sandwich, just for the exra vitamins..(only with Jarlsburg cheese!) and who had the condensed milk sangas? and my punch didnt heat treat right, on a side note, well...wrong treat for that steel...the punch knocked about a 2mm ledge in the steel then pretended is was a rivet head, so not sure what he used steel wise, (mighta been 4140 that i anealed, being the wrong process for the wrong steel) but we'll know when he takes it to the electronmicro bloke. i give him some h13 so we know what it is this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pault17 Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 It has always baffled me as to why you see people by three boxes of twinkies and a gallon of Diet-anything. Me, I like to fry up a few thick slabs of badon, then pan-toast a cheese bagle in the grease nice and toasted. then I fry two eggs in the remaining grease and smother the whole thing with mushed up avocado. I get goose-bumps even talking about it. Oh yeah, to wash it all down, a nice strong cup of coffee with a scoop of vanilla ice cream oh yaeah!!! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted September 18, 2010 Share Posted September 18, 2010 I made avocado-jalapeno ice cream once. Pretty good actually. My daughter keeps bugging me to make it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_edge2 Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 I made avocado-jalapeno ice cream once. Pretty good actually. My daughter keeps bugging me to make it again. yeah...im hip, what the mixture rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainely,Bob Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 Can avocado be used as a punch lube?I don`t think Jalapeno can,it wouldn`t cool/quench very well. I too am interested in the recipe there Grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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