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#1 User is offline   youngdylan 

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:35 AM

Don't know if our colonial cousins have landrovers over there?

Amongst the many wonderful things about them is that the box section chassis goes from the very front "bumper" to the back one. This is real usefull for bolting a vice to when out on site.The military ones have two lugs on each bumper (fender???). These are real strong forgings and are use to attach lifting chains when carring them (2Tonne) by helicopter.

It's easy to rig up a boom arm as I've shown and tie it to the rear bumper. I've no idea what the SWL is but I've lifted my 200kg anvil with me sat on it as a "trial by combat" and I regularly use it to install 1/4 Tonne gates. Being landrover and being "bolt on" by design the non military versions have pre drilled holes that these lugs can be fitted to. I'm sure the lugs are readily available or easily fabricated.

The rig comes into its own when when taking gates to site by towing a trailer. At site the trailer is wheeled in front of the 'drover, they're picked up and driven to where they go. It's then easy to manouvere the gates to position because you can see where you're going.

It's a good idea to use wooden blocks to "lock the front suspension" but not essential.

Saved myself a fortune over the years. Modern trucks don't seem to have the chassis going fully front to back but I'm sure most people reading this can weld!

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:48 AM

Now that there's a truck! Over the pond we have Jeeps. Unfortunately, over the years they have been sanitized and yuppie-ized (I just invented a word :P) to the point that they are no longer the work horses they once were. Back in the day...

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:57 AM

View Postwolfshieldrx, on 11 March 2010 - 12:48 PM, said:

Now that there's a truck! Over the pond we have Jeeps. Unfortunately, over the years they have been sanitized and yuppie-ized (I just invented a word Posted Image) to the point that they are no longer the work horses they once were. Back in the day...

bart

p.s. great looking gate by the way!



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Yeah they've kinda done that with a lot of the other landrovers in the family. That said they still make the "defender", its a ]true[/u][/ utility vehicle aimed at farmers etc. Basic one has zero luxuries though some of the top end ones are "ponced up" a bit to sell to the "image conscious"
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 08:05 AM

Here in Maine there are folks with Landrovers,during the summer the yuppies bring more and newer ones.

Most of the mechanically inclined folks up here go for the military surplus or the early jeeps(back when they were known by letters and numbers instead of names) and Dodge Power Wagons.
Goober from Vermont has a CJ chassis with a 4 cylinder Wisconsen(sp) engine,winches and poles both front and rear that he uses for near everything.I`ve seen him drive it and run the winches while walking along beside.

The primary difference between those and yours seems to be the ones here make extensive use of the PTO to drive things like winches or hydraulic pumps to get things done.There`s a fellow down the road with a backhoe attached to his rig.

Why for you no got de front winch mon?De life be so much sweeter with,no?

Don`t even get me started about the 1 ton and larger roustabout trucks from the oilfield.They were bought new as cab and chassis and built from there.
The owner of King Drilling used to buy brand new Caddies and take them to be chopped into what looked like El-Caminoes and drive them down the dirt lease roads to the remote locations.Must be nice to have more dollars than sense.

BTW-Ditto the nice gates.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 08:23 AM

View PostMainely,Bob, on 11 March 2010 - 01:05 PM, said:

Here in Maine there are folks with Landrovers,during the summer the yuppies bring more and newer ones.

Most of the mechanically inclined folks up here go for the military surplus or the early jeeps(back when they were known by letters and numbers instead of names) and Dodge Power Wagons.
Goober from Vermont has a CJ chassis with a 4 cylinder Wisconsen(sp) engine,winches and poles both front and rear that he uses for near everything.I`ve seen him drive it and run the winches while walking along beside.

The primary difference between those and yours seems to be the ones here make extensive use of the PTO to drive things like winches or hydraulic pumps to get things done.There`s a fellow down the road with a backhoe attached to his rig.

Why for you no got de front winch mon?De life be so much sweeter with,no?

Don`t even get me started about the 1 ton and larger roustabout trucks from the oilfield.They were bought new as cab and chassis and built from there.
The owner of King Drilling used to buy brand new Caddies and take them to be chopped into what looked like El-Caminoes and drive them down the dirt lease roads to the remote locations.Must be nice to have more dollars than sense.


Yeah, I use an electric winch now. Sure makes life easier if for no other reason than it stops the chains getting tangled in the work.

They've got PTOs but we don't seem big on using them over here. Actually maybe some of the more anorak inclined off road enthusiats use them but they're a world all of their own. It's just a tool to me!
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 08:25 AM

Nice set up.
Over here you would probably have to have an engineered drawing to build it and 5 permits and ND testing certificates, flaggers, riggers, a crane operator with an "A" ticket and a reference letter from God to use that on a job site. :P
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 08:25 AM

There's a PTO on Land Rovers, the hydraulic pump and reservoir for the winch sit behind/under the driver's seat. There's also a hole in the rear chassis member for the shaft to escape. LRs, unfortunately don't have brakes.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 08:30 AM

View PostSam Thompson, on 11 March 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Rs, unfortunately don't have brakes.



I second that!!!! Actually I've got a newer 300TDi now which is a world of difference to my old series3. I can now stop ...... usually.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 08:32 AM

View PostArtWerkz, on 11 March 2010 - 01:25 PM, said:

Nice set up.
Over here you would probably have to have an engineered drawing to build it and 5 permits and ND testing certificates, flaggers, riggers, a crane operator with an "A" ticket and a reference letter from God to use that on a job site. Posted Image
Yes, nice gates indeed.


It's kinda getting that way over here (doing work for a local council is a ]HUGE B**LACHE[/u][/) but a lot of gates on that scale I do are private commissions
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:06 AM

Nice set up...but be careful with that truck...it looks like some joker put the steering wheel on the wrong side! That could be dangerous :lol:
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:38 AM

View Postyoungdylan, on 11 March 2010 - 09:32 AM, said:

It's kinda getting that way over here (doing work for a local council is a HUGE B**LACHE) but a lot of gates on that scale I do are private commissions


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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:45 AM

I love your set up! Thats what I call making the most out of what you have. I have seen set ups like that here in the southwest and they usually hang of the back of the truck. Water well service trucks mostly. Now you have me thinking front end?
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:52 AM

View PostHWHII, on 11 March 2010 - 02:45 PM, said:

I love your set up! Thats what I call making the most out of what you have. I have seen set ups like that here in the southwest and they usually hang of the back of the truck. Water well service trucks mostly. Now you have me thinking front end?



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I guess rear is better regards counter balancing cos the engine is at the front, but being able to see where you're going when manouvering to withina few mm is more important to me!

I regularly lift 1/4 Tonne gates with no trouble but it does pull the front suspension down a lot, I guess the rear suspension on most trucks is a lot stiffer.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:54 AM

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 01:05 PM

That is a sweet set up, could really use one of those tomorrow, day late and a dollar short. I have a home built A frame on wheels I guess will have to do, thanks for sharing.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 01:10 PM

View Postyoungdylan, on 11 March 2010 - 08:52 AM, said:

Harold

I guess rear is better regards counter balancing cos the engine is at the front, but being able to see where you're going when manouvering to withina few mm is more important to me!

I regularly lift 1/4 Tonne gates with no trouble but it does pull the front suspension down a lot, I guess the rear suspension on most trucks is a lot stiffer.



Would it be hard to fit the front end with air shocks? Just pump a few more psi into them when you have a heavy load on the front end. For normal driving you can drop the psi for a smoother ride.

My father-in-law does this with his truck when he tows his race car trailer, and I believe Larry (Monster Metal) does this with his truck too.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 02:15 PM

View PostSask Mark, on 11 March 2010 - 06:10 PM, said:

Would it be hard to fit the front end with air shocks? Just pump a few more psi into them when you have a heavy load on the front end. For normal driving you can drop the psi for a smoother ride.

My father-in-law does this with his truck when he tows his race car trailer, and I believe Larry (Monster Metal) does this with his truck too.



How's the committee to free Larry going?
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 02:27 PM

Yeah, ya can't even rent a "cherry picker" anymore. Too many people would boom way out to the side and try to pick up way too much and, well you know the rest...........
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 02:30 PM

View PostDanger Dillon, on 11 March 2010 - 06:05 PM, said:

That is a sweet set up, could really use one of those tomorrow, day late and a dollar short. I have a home built A frame on wheels I guess will have to do, thanks for sharing.
Yeah, A frames are useful but the ground needs to be very flat/level. This set up works on just about any ground the landrover will drive over ..... building sites!

It's easy to attach/detach: just 2 pins on the front and the guy rope (what do you lot call it?) hooks onto the towing attachment on the rear. Sling it on the back of the pick up to carry it around. A quick back of the envelope calculation says it could be good for 1/2Tonne but I've set myself a limit of 1/4Tonne. Guess there may be safety nazi or insurance issues using on a public road but so far I've been able to park my trailer on private driveways and do the lifting from there.
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Posted 11 March 2010 - 02:38 PM

View PostNakedanvil - Grant Sarver, on 11 March 2010 - 07:27 PM, said:

Yeah, ya can't even rent a "cherry picker" anymore. Too many people would boom way out to the side and try to pick up way too much and, well you know the rest...........



.... sadly I do know the rest. I've never used one myself but I had a friend was in one when it was ran into by a bus (of all things). The guy he was working with sadly killed. It's put the fear of god (can I say that) into me about those things.

Someone above mentioned "shearlegs". They're a sort of tripod with the legs linked along the bottom. Easily assembled, cheap to make and can lift a suprising amount but they don't easily move.
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