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#41 Mainely,Bob

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 03:01 PM

CAJUN!! Now we`re talkin`!Why didn`t you say you were really a member of Whodat Nation.
I used to know 2 brothers from Gretna that would come to visit every time they were within an hour or so of town,which meant if their truck was headed to Amarillo then we`d see them for at least 2 days.
MAN,they could cook!Every meal made you feel like Thanksgiving.I still have some Ziedeco(sp)tapes they gave us around here somewhere.I think I`ll dig them out and give `em a spin.

Many people don`t know that Mexican food can also use fish to good effect.Paco`s Tacos in Damariscotta makes some of the best fish tacos I ever had.

Frosty,
For the past 6 months I`ve been sleeping in the freezer at least part of the night.We heat with a wood stove and I`m the one that has to stoke it.
SWMBO starts to get cold,despite the 3 quilts,and I get the elbow.It`s got so if she nudges me in her sleep I roll out and head to the wood stove.
Hasn`t helped my "down east" accent any though. :P
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 04:14 PM

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How do you like the forge? I've heard nothing but good about them but nobody else has probably tried one in sub zero temps. It's a good time to pre-heat the anvil or it'll suck the heat right out of the work. Even at +10f my anvils will take the color off 1/2" sq during just a few blows. Just don't do any sledge work over the hardy, the anvil'll be fine.


The forge worked quite well. I did have a problem with over heating under it. But I'm going to make a metal table for it eventually. In the mean time I will put a piece of hardy board under the brick then put the forge on top of that. The thermal break should take care of the heat. I don't want my wooden bench melting or anything. I was running it at 7 psi and was getting a good heat to forge with in just moments. I took a pieceo of plate that I have thats about 3/4" x 1" x 5" and put it in the forge then after it got to black heat I put it on the face of the anvil. I did that several times and got the face warm and it worked like a champ. This is the first time I've used a gas forge. Its a treat to work indoors and not be exposed to the wind. Of course there is nothing like the smell of a good coal fire. And I'll move my coal forge indoors in the spring. In the mean time I can always move outside to use it when its warm enough. And absolutly no sledge hammers are allowed near my anvil until I at least put a ding in it first. That will probibly be a while. :D
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 04:24 PM

Hey Bryan, what kind of wood table do you have? I never heard of wood that will actually melt! :P

 K. Bryan Morgan, on 13 March 2010 - 04:14 PM, said:

I don't want my wooden bench melting or anything.

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 05:38 PM

Andrew, I don't think it would. But it would really burn if I let the forge go much longer yesterday. When the wood is smoking your forge is not probably where it should be. :P
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 07:19 PM

 Andrew Smith, on 12 March 2010 - 09:46 PM, said:

Well, I won't take any of that personal. :mellow: I'll get over it. We Texans have our own little joke that kinda goes like this:

Whats two things a Texan hates to see coming toward him?

a Mexican with a knife and a Yankee with a U-haul :P

And O, anything north of Dallas is a Yankee. :P However I do ave a good friend who is from Chicago ,and I don't talk as funny as most Texans.

Last but not least, I hate to bust your bubble Frosty but, I would love to come to Alaska some time, however, only in the HOTTEST time of the SUMMER. I am sort of an outdoors man and Alaska seems to have some nice landscape.

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You'll have to excuse me, I'm English, but does an Alaskan accent sound a bit like Russian?

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 07:54 PM

I have no idea if an Alaskan accent sounds like Russian. I can see your point though, only 5 miles away in one spot. I never been to Alaska to hear their accent.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 02:06 AM

 Mainely,Bob, on 13 March 2010 - 03:01 PM, said:

CAJUN!! Now we`re talkin`!Why didn`t you say you were really a member of Whodat Nation.
I used to know 2 brothers from Gretna that would come to visit every time they were within an hour or so of town,which meant if their truck was headed to Amarillo then we`d see them for at least 2 days.
MAN,they could cook!Every meal made you feel like Thanksgiving.I still have some Ziedeco(sp)tapes they gave us around here somewhere.I think I`ll dig them out and give `em a spin.

Many people don`t know that Mexican food can also use fish to good effect.Paco`s Tacos in Damariscotta makes some of the best fish tacos I ever had.

Frosty,
For the past 6 months I`ve been sleeping in the freezer at least part of the night.We heat with a wood stove and I`m the one that has to stoke it.
SWMBO starts to get cold,despite the 3 quilts,and I get the elbow.It`s got so if she nudges me in her sleep I roll out and head to the wood stove.
Hasn`t helped my "down east" accent any though. :P
I can only speak limited Main-ah chummy.


There used to be a good cajun place in Anchorage though I don't know if there is one anymore. Heck, used to be one here in the Valley but . . .

If you like mexican styled seafood you really should give my halibut fajitas a try. Just give us a couple days warning so we can clean a room and lay in some supplies.

I'm thinking it sounds like your missus is getting you trained better than Otis or will he get firewood on demand too?

I had a great firewood fetching dog once, he was a joy on a camping trip.

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 02:10 AM

 K. Bryan Morgan, on 13 March 2010 - 04:14 PM, said:

The forge worked quite well. I did have a problem with over heating under it. But I'm going to make a metal table for it eventually. In the mean time I will put a piece of hardy board under the brick then put the forge on top of that. The thermal break should take care of the heat. I don't want my wooden bench melting or anything. I was running it at 7 psi and was getting a good heat to forge with in just moments. I took a pieceo of plate that I have thats about 3/4" x 1" x 5" and put it in the forge then after it got to black heat I put it on the face of the anvil. I did that several times and got the face warm and it worked like a champ. This is the first time I've used a gas forge. Its a treat to work indoors and not be exposed to the wind. Of course there is nothing like the smell of a good coal fire. And I'll move my coal forge indoors in the spring. In the mean time I can always move outside to use it when its warm enough. And absolutly no sledge hammers are allowed near my anvil until I at least put a ding in it first. That will probibly be a while. :D

By "hardy" board are you talking about cement backer board like used behind a stove or such? That's what I use n heat sensitive places.

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 02:15 AM

 Sam Thompson, on 13 March 2010 - 07:19 PM, said:

You'll have to excuse me, I'm English, but does an Alaskan accent sound a bit like Russian?

Sorry, but I'm using the wonderful innovation of the broad-band enabled pub to write this!

Ah, naw, no need for an excuse Sam, having access to a broad band enabled pub sounds like a little slice of heaven to me.

I guess it depends on who you're talking to. Alaskan natives not only share common heritage with the native people of northern siberia a lot of them are directly related so if we're talking about inupiat then yes, they not only sound similar they're the same language.

On the other hand if you're talking to a transplanted Californian like me, then NO, I don't sound like a russian. Heck, I barely speak American so you might want to bring a translator if you visit. :blink:


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Posted 14 March 2010 - 02:19 AM

 Andrew Smith, on 13 March 2010 - 04:24 PM, said:

Hey Bryan, what kind of wood table do you have? I never heard of wood that will actually melt! :P

Melting wooden tables isn't just an Alaskan thing you know. You really should get out more Andrew. ;)

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Posted 14 March 2010 - 02:33 AM

Yes, Frosty that's exactly right. Its a cement board. Hardy is a name brand. There is also Durarock. Used mostly for tile work and in bathrooms to prevent mold. On a floor Hardy board is used with thinset under it then screwed to the wooden underlayment to stiffen the floor so the grout won't crack when you lay tile. It, also being a cement product, is kinda on the fire resistant side of things. And get used that way too. Although its not its main function. Well I used it today and it worked very very well. The wood wasn't even warm. I made a hold fast and a big staple to hang some tongs off of the stump with. Dang it forgot to take pictures. As for what I learned. A hold fast is very easy to make.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 07:53 AM

Anyone in colder climes may want to try this. Some may think I am crazy, well there's a little of that too.
I wrapped my anvil with a battery blanket. it's a great little unit that I have wrapped around the base and it plugs into household power.
Now I guess I should add the disclaimer, Using something for which it was not designed is crazy etc etc. All I know is it works and haven't had any problems. Enjoy.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 08:13 AM

I learned that even though the borg(either Slowes or Home Despot)is closer when you need cutting discs for the angle grinder it is far cheaper(in time,money and aggravation)to just drive PAST the borg and get REAL cutting discs from the welding supply place.

Those Dewalt discs are better suited for shooting skeet than cutting.They react the same way as a hit clay pigeon when you put them to the metal.Two of them just had the center break out and did their impression of a high speed metal cutting frizbee.Glad I was using safety glasses,the weld shield and leathers too :angry:

Finally took an air hammer and chisel to peel the welds on the brackets I needed gone.Louder,tougher on the hands but easier in the long run.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 04:10 PM

 Mainely,Bob, on 14 March 2010 - 08:13 AM, said:

I learned that even though the borg(either Slowes or Home Despot)is closer when you need cutting discs for the angle grinder it is far cheaper(in time,money and aggravation)to just drive PAST the borg and get REAL cutting discs from the welding supply place.

Those Dewalt discs are better suited for shooting skeet than cutting.They react the same way as a hit clay pigeon when you put them to the metal.Two of them just had the center break out and did their impression of a high speed metal cutting frizbee.Glad I was using safety glasses,the weld shield and leathers too :angry:

Finally took an air hammer and chisel to peel the welds on the brackets I needed gone.Louder,tougher on the hands but easier in the long run.

WOW, I have been considering the dewalt disks to be pretty good...especially compared to HF disks.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 04:16 PM

Thanks Phil for the heads up on the HF discs.I`ll be steering away from those too.
I think I`ll be staying with the brand name ones from my local welding supply.Never had a problem with those.
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 10:59 AM

From another thread there is information on the labeling of disks that is rather standardized. If the disk is labled in that manner (Dewalt disks are) I have been using that as a minimum to get a decent product. If they are not labled (such as HF disks) I have been avoiding purchase. If I am given, or find leftovers from when I did purchase said extra cheap disks, I use them, being careful to not crush them by over-tightening.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 07:45 AM

Well to say the least it has been an interesting week if not anything. I don't even want to go there what I learned. One thing for sure there is a lot of inflated egos. If anything I'll keep my pie hole shut and use it for what it was intended. Eat-in humble pie.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:56 AM

Thanks again Phil.
I suspect that Dewalt has another outfit making the discs to their spec and then putting their name on them.Probably offshore folks doing the making as the last diamond saw blade I saw from them was made in Korea.
I was cutting stainless welds and it was a race as to what disappeared faster the disc or the weld.
I usually go with names like Norton,Pferd,Walter.etc and have not had them break at the hub like the Dewalts did.
Maybe I just caught a bad batch,who knows.From now on I`ll go with what I know and eat less dust and fragments.
When my wife came home hours later the first thing she asked was "What were you grinding?".
She could smell the dust in my hair even though I wore a hat and dusted off with an air gun .
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