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#1 FieryFurnace

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 04:28 PM

Here is an interesting piece I did a while ago! A pastor in IN. wanted me to make some crucifixion spikes for a sort of object lesson he was doing. I did about 6 of them. They are 100% to scale, functional, and authentic. 8 inches long and 1/2-5/8 at the thickest.

They were forged out of RR spikes!

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Anyone else ever done any?
Thoughts???
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#2 Rhyfelwr

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 06:19 PM

I like it, you could use it for fastening posts together or all kinds of things..

How do you know this is correct? What did you base it on?

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 07:33 PM

if they were authentic, would hey not be wrought? Neat project
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 08:43 PM

I make a smaller nail something like yours then I put a card with it called the "Christmas Nail"

"Christmas Nail"

It is to be hung on a sturdy branch ,
a branch near the trunk,a branch that
will hold such a spike without being noticed by
well-wishers dropping by to admire one's
tinseled tree. The NAIL is known only to the
home that hangs it and understood by the
heart that knows its significance. It is hung with
the thought that the Christmas Tree foreshadows the
Christ-tree which only He could decorate for us,
ornamented with NAILS such as this.

wrap a piece of copper wire under the head then make a hook so it can hang from a tree.Makes a great gift for friends and family.

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 08:57 PM

It is based solely on descriptions and pictures of "originals."

Ancient Resource: Ancient Roman "Crucifixion Spikes" For Sale

I do suppose the originals would have been wrought! Good point!

I bet those little "Christmas Nails" would sell like hotcakes at a Christmas show!


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Posted 05 December 2009 - 09:29 PM

i have the cold demo season started up today, all that sold was a handful of key chains

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 09:52 PM

I was looking at a site that had a nail that was still through what was left of a cross beam and it was clinched over on the back and had a washer on the front side apparently to keep the nail head from tearing through the flesh. I think it was on the Biblical Archaeology site some time ago. Not a nice way to go.

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 09:56 PM

Pun Alert. Can't help myself..Dave nice work, you really nailed that one.....
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Posted 05 December 2009 - 10:05 PM

I was looking at a site that had a nail that was still through what was left of a cross beam and it was clinched over on the back and had a washer on the front side apparently to keep the nail head from tearing through the flesh. I think it was on the Biblical Archaeology site some time ago. Not a nice way to go.


I was at Robb Gunter's this past fall and he said they have excavated 2 bodies with nails through BOTH ankles from the side of the ankle. And both nails had the wooden 'washer' made from olive wood. Robb is extremely knowledgable in Biblical iron work... He sited the same reason for the washers.
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 05:00 PM

Closest I have come to making something similar was a little after Thanksgiving last year. For our Christmas play last year and other times we did the life story of Jesus, complete with crucifixion. The directors needed somebody to make the nails to hold the people on the crosses, so I told them I would take care of it. Since we couldn't exactly nail them to the crosses through the wrists and ankles we made them slightly different. Took 6 railroad spikes cut the heads off about 3" down from the top and then took some flat stock and bent that into a U, then welded the 3 pieces together. The spike would be driven into a hole in the wood and with the persons wrists in the U it looked like they were driven through the wrists.

I like it and may have to steal that idea, and give it to my pastor for Christmas.
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Posted 06 December 2009 - 05:43 PM

I'm going to have to forge some to show at church. Usually you don't think of this around this time of year, but it is a good project. Makes you think what humans went through back in that time period. Thanks for showing us.

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 10:32 PM

OK, this is not about the nails (which are quite excellent) but I made some rugged crosses (15" high) and I think the impact is similar....cause dying like that ain't pretty...

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:47 AM

I was asked by my church to make some as well, and as the audience was going to be quite a distance away, we decided on making the spike look like large nails, about 8 inches long. It was a good heading excercise, and they came out fine. Perhaps not historically perfect, yet I'll bet something along those lines were applicable in hurry up and do it situations where perpetrators were quickly hung up!!

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 10:17 AM

Here are some pictures of a sculpture I did with some nails it.

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 11:22 AM

There is also archaeological evidence that possibly in some crucifixions that the nails were driven through the heel bone. There is an artifact out there in Israel (If I remember correctly...was mentioned in my archaeology class) in the collection of a doctor specializing in this type of punishment with the heel bone of an individual still with the nail through it. It is thought to sow that the feet were nailed to the sides of the cross.

The nail was bent over and unable to be removed, so it was thought to be the reason why they found it like that upon excavation. I would imagine that there were several nails reused…gruesome business, but cool to have some artifacts to help us guess how it went down…

They went further to state that in this location of the heel where the nail passed through had no major blood vessels, but large clusters of nerves. Meaning the extended pain and suffering for the individual without undue blood loss.

…just like anything a lot of this is trying to see the full picture of the puzzle with several pieces missing. There are a whole lot of ideas out there on it, and I am sure even more ways of doing it, nail sizes, etc…

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 09:45 AM

Makes you think what humans went through back in that time period. Thanks for showing us.


Yes I can't even begin to imagine a death like that! Also shows us the pure depravity of man too; to think that any group of people would use that as a standard method of execution! It's a lot like the tortures of the "Inquisition" and other groups throughout history! You read about the stuff that was used to torture and prolong the death of individuals, and you think "goodness gracious, how could someone do that to someone else, JUST because they think differently!" Something to think about anyway!

Back on subject! :D
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 02:36 PM

actully it was a slow and painful death your lungs would fill with fluid and you drown. The only way to get a breath is to try to stand.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 02:48 PM

Christ dying in mere hours was a "surprise" as it was expected to take two or more days for a person to expire through crucifixion. I have been told by a knowledgeable preacher that the body would typically be left till the animals stripped it away. This added insult and torment to the family as they could not perform final rites and give proper burial.

Gruesome, and cruel most definitely.

This is less a "thanks for sharing" and more a "thanks for reminding" since this season is not about the commercialization of the world, black Friday or cyber Monday or N shopping days left till Christmas, only to be set to 365 come Christmas.

I'm not very religious either, but faith is very important. Thank you.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 04:50 PM

And now we think water boarding is torture.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 09:00 PM

Thanks for all the response!

One of the historical things about it I read was that they were made square so that when the victim tried to raise himself to relieve pressure, the hands rotated on the square edges. Ouch!

Just something interesting!

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