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[Francis Trez Cole]

wow nice would love on of those

[Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver]

found a video of a 100 T screw press, you need broadband:

friction screw press / forging press - down stroke and up stroke / vincent press - Maneklal and Sons (Exports)

[nuge]

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found a video of a 100 T screw press, you need broadband:

You found a healthy reality check as well. Them's some tough looking working conditions.

[Dawg]

You have a realy nice set up there anvil. I have to say I feel envy and a little turned on, I havent seen press porn in a long time.

[masons forge]

I have two of these presses in my shop and I would like to place them in a good home with a fair price. One is a 100ton and one is an 80ton I think. Do you know any one that might be looking for one?



They look scarey but they feel safer than an air hammer

[bigcity]

Fe-Wood, on 04 June 2009 - 01:02 PM, said:

Ah-men brother!!!
Typically, machines are stupid/simple in that they only do what they are told and they don't anticipate anything. All failures aside- Case in point, CNC machines, one of the few machines that can and will eat itself.

Be safe-

ya but on the same token cnc machines just do what they are told.They are as good as the programer programing them

[ThomasPowers]

"I have two of these presses in my shop and I would like to place them in a good home with a fair price. One is a 100ton and one is an 80ton I think. Do you know any one that might be looking for one?"

Depends on the price and the LOCATION, neither which was posted...Some people are always looking for this sort of thing---armourers, coiners, some ornamental iron folk, etc.

[Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver]

Masons Forge: Pictures would be nice too.

CNC: Yeah, The thing I love about My CNC mill is that it does exactly what I tell it to do. The thing I hate about it is that it does exactly what I tell it to do.

[masons forge]

I'll work on some pictures. I'm in NC outside Charlotte and I'm asking 4200 for the large one and 3500 for the not so large one.

[masons forge]

The paint job isn't much but the power is there. They are Zeh & Hahnemann a #8 and #10

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[monstermetal]

masons forge, on 06 January 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

The paint job isn't much but the power is there. They are Zeh & Hahnemann a #8 and #10

I want one... Now only if it wasnt 6000 miles round trip.... Unless the price includes shipping?

[JosephPrivott]

Heck, I want 'em and I'm only 2 hours away.... :/

oh well, I guess this is more in my price range these days: Press

[Timothy Miller]

I would be interested in acquiring one of those presses. Let me know if you still have them.

[John Larson]

Grant, I believe I have one of your old vcr tapes that show this flypress in operation. Also an upsetter making some tong reins.

[Richard Furrer]

nakedanvil, on 04 June 2009 - 12:46 PM, said:

You know, my old Nazel 4-B (500lb) would have probably taken three blows to do the same.

Fe-Wood: There ARE devices that improve safety, but nothing comes close to attitude. Some people look at a machine and say it looks scary. Well, in all honesty, no machine scares me near as much as some people!

Actually my 3B Nazel took three blows to do that Grant..had to run the test...

Grant can I ask a favor?
What does your press do to 8" of 1.5" round mild steel in one heat? Simply downward pressure with no interest in controlling the spread..all natural.
My 3B Nazel can flatten it to about 1/4" plate 4" wide in the center in 40 blows .... so about 10-12 seconds from a high heat.
I do not have access to a friction press, but would not mind one if it can do the work....to know that I need some tests run to see how large a press I should be looking for.

Ric

[Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver]

You'll have to make your own guess from the example I showed. A piece of 1-1/2" round X 8 flattened to 1/4 X 4 would come out about 16" long. So you must be feeding it in and out, right?

[youngdylan]

Richard Furrer, on 23 February 2010 - 10:23 AM, said:

Actually my 3B Nazel took three blows to do that Grant..had to run the test...

Grant can I ask a favor?
What does your press do to 8" of 1.5" round mild steel in one heat? Simply downward pressure with no interest in controlling the spread..all natural.
My 3B Nazel can flatten it to about 1/4" plate 4" wide in the center in 40 blows .... so about 10-12 seconds from a high heat.
I do not have access to a friction press, but would not mind one if it can do the work....to know that I need some tests run to see how large a press I should be looking for.

Ric

Ric

I've a couple of manual flypresses (Norton #5 and #6) and it constantly impresses me what I can do with them. When I move out of my matchbox of a workshop and if I ever find a "moderately" sized friction screw press in the UK I'd buy it on principle, something about the way they work does it for me. Also I like the fact they dont need swimming pool sized blocks of concrete for foundations (I think). I've bought a few tools/machines in the past without an immediate use, but when I did find a use they've paid for them selves many time over.

As an aside, I dont know if you guys have "bar flypresses" over there. See photo of my #5. It's got no base as such, just a hole in the body that you can push a stout bar through (75 x 75mm for mine). It's incredibly useful when working on hoops or other shapes when the base gets in the way.

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[Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver]

Yeah, the conversion of effort expended to work produced is quite amazing, really. Using a 3/8" top and bottom fuller in the anvil you can wail the daylights out of a 3/4 square bar with a hand hammer and put a goodly dent in it. Go the fly press and you can chop right through the bar in a few pulls.

I'm with you 100% there - if it looks useful, buy it and find out what it'll do. I'll buy anything that looks like it'll push, pull, squeeze or pound.

That style of press is often called a "horn press" here.

[youngdylan]

nakedanvil, on 25 February 2010 - 04:16 PM, said:

I'm with you 100% there - if it looks useful, buy it and find out what it'll do. I'll buy anything that looks like it'll push, pull, squeeze or pound.

Yeah, when you need "it" in a hurry, you'll probably pay a lot more for said "it", if indeed you can find "it" in time to complete the job said "it" is needed for, elsewise you'll end end doing the job a lot slower and really wish you'd the foresight to realise how cheap "it" was at the time. Always assuming you've the space to store it. Me? sadly I've not a square mm going spare anymore.

Couple of case in points. Recently picked up a beast of a Ward-Forsyth 30Tonne electro-hydraulic C framed press, 300mm of stroke, something like 350mm from centre of ram to frame ..... wait for it ..... £300 of Ebay!!!!!!! Come the time I use it in anger it'll pay for itself in a couple of hours.

Other is example is; I'd always got by with a home brewed Kinyon when about 4 years ago John N started selling 40kg (88lb in scroats, furlongs, widgets and bushells) Anyangs for £3000. To me that just seemed stupidly cheap given the amount of metal it could move in a day. Bought it, love it, would buy another (maybe one of his 15kg or 75kg's) if I had the space. The 40kg's now sell for £5800. To my way of thinking, that is still value for money when the cost is spread over a few years, and the potential work that can be done by one over those years is considered.

Whilst I'm rambling about the money side, I kinda think it's very revealing that this forum has 100's and 100's of thread about hammers, anvils, hand cranked blowers, ye olde worlde offeth blacksmithes, etc etc etc etc. It's got 6 topics on the business side of blacksmithing. Yeah I know, loads of you guys and gals are hobbiests ..... creative, passionate and dedicated at that, but come on, 6 topics for ****s sake !!!!! Business isn't a dirty word. If you don't understand the business side of your business, chances are you wont earn enough money to buy those wonderful toys we also so covet. An induction heater in my case, they look like money printing machines to me.

So endeth the lecture for today.

[youngdylan]

nakedanvil, on 25 February 2010 - 04:16 PM, said:

Yeah, the conversion of effort expended to work produced is quite amazing, really.

Sure is! I also find the feel given when feathering a "blow" is so useful. Some other good uses are "rolling" rings, helixes even. I'll try and dig out a photo of useful jig I made for this pre getting some rollers. Another good use is raising bowls, vesssels etc. ..... yeah, you heard that right; raising .... raising, where the metal is shrunk and thickened. No, not sinking where it thins the metal. In essence I use a ball ended tool to force the metal into a shallow bowl swage ....no ....we're still not talking sinking here. The trick is to let the metal crease up as it's forced into the bowl. then go over the creases with the ball to press out the creases whilst the metal is constained by the bowl ..... voila! raising, raising as with a hammer and T stake but on a flypress with much less effort using much heavier section steel. Hell, your elbows sure will thank you one day.

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