Gas on the brain

[IronFist]

I keep having a confusing problem with my forge. The LP tank keeps frosting over when I'm forging, so I have to shake the tank back and forth to get proper heat back in the fire. I could understand this if it were cold all the time, but I live in South Carolina. It was 57* today! Is this common? Or should I raise the tank up off the concrete floor? Help me!! I'm wasting time and fuel waiting on a good heat.

[Ron Hicks]

Are you using a small BBQ tank? I heard tell they will do that.

[IronFist]

Yes, unfortunately, I do not have enough cash for the bigger LP gas tank. Would it be plausible to keep thetank I have in a warm water bath whilst I use it to keep the frost off?

[dimag]

A bigger tank is the solution,100# at least to run a forge.The frosting is caused by a compressed gas[any compressed gas] flowing thru a restriction i.e. orifice ,valve etc.When you cut the pressure the temp of the gas drops.The ambient temp does affect the flow but really only in pretty cold conditions or if the volume in the tank is low.The trouble with a warm water bath is that it won't be warm for long.A small oil pan heater might help.The cost would probably make a bigger tank a more viable option.You could get another small tank and just change them out,kind of a pain tho.

[clark-kentski]

You need to put 2 bbq tanks behind the regulator,simple plumbing using all hardline,ask the fellow at the propane store as to the fittings you need,also someones selling this setup on the web,zoller forge ??guessing. good luck,safety first!!!

[bipolarandy]

I use to fight with the same problem of my 20# tank freezing, then I got a different burner and forge( an atmo burner and not a blown forge) and I havn't had that happen since.

-Andrei

[dimag]

Zoeller forge sells manifold kit for $15.00.

[Woody]

You can also solve the problem by setting the propane tank in a garbage can of water. It don't have to be hot water right out of the garden hose will do fine.

As the pressure is relieved from the tank, it cools the remaining propane in the tank this continues till the temperature of the propane drops to near it's boiling point of about -44 degrees for pure propane. Once it has reached that temperature it will not vaporize. By shaking the tank you bring the liquid into contact with the warmer surface of the vapor space in the tank and cause it to boil to gas.

Keep in mind that what you are using is LPG not pure propane. It is a mixture of butane and propane, the further South you go the more butane is added to the mixture. Butane has a much higher boiling point that propane so it don't take nearly as much chilling to drop it to or near it's boiling point.

Placing the tank in water will keep the contents above the boiling point and allow the formation of gas. You will get ice freezing on the tank from the liquid level down.

Woody

[Mikek]

Ward Burner Systems - Power Burners, Raku Burners, and Kilns

the above is a great article about lp and tanks
Ward Burner Systems - Power Burners, Raku Burners, and Kilns
has some other great articles about gas and such

[IronFist]

Thanks everyone for the tips and replys! I'll try the suggested first, then have to move to a bigger tank purchase.