18th Century Toaster? How did they do it?

[RBrown]

this is for something larger but the princapal is the same just scale it down
http://www.iforgeiron.com/Blueprints..._articleid/320

[iknowablacksmith]

Originally Posted by RBrown

this is for something larger but the princapal is the same just scale it down
http://www.iforgeiron.com/Blueprints..._articleid/320

Thank you. I think i could actually follow most of that.

Any idea how they could have done it in 18th Century Pennsylvania? The tools my blacksmith friend will have access to (either at Kings Landing or at his home shop) are "traditional" (i.e. old, or reproductions of the old-style designs), and he wants to recreate the toaster in as authentic a manner as possible.

What could they have used in place of the "holding dog" in this description?


- Lincoln -

[RBrown]

i would use my vice or make a jig to hold it in place while the tenons are smashed down. if he does not have accesss to a torch it will be slow going heat tenon clamp positon the plate and set the end of the tenon. i would make shure they all line up with the holes befor seting them. if he is worryd about maring the arches use acouple blocks of wood in the jaws of the vice. or he could forge the holding dogs as shown in the demo

[iknowablacksmith]

Originally Posted by RBrown

i would use my vice or make a jig to hold it in place while the tenons are smashed down. if he does not have accesss to a torch it will be slow going heat tenon clamp positon the plate and set the end of the tenon. i would make shure they all line up with the holes befor seting them. if he is worryd about maring the arches use acouple blocks of wood in the jaws of the vice. or he could forge the holding dogs as shown in the demo

Excellent. That helps a lot. I am not sure if he has a torch, but i suspect he has something like that. The blocks of wood in the jaws of the vice makes a lot of sense.

I will be calling the blacksmith later today. I will pass on what i have learned so far, and if he has any questions i'll be back here with them.

Thanks heaps!


- Lincoln -

[ThomasPowers]

There is a plan for making a toaster in one of the issues of "Early American Life" from the 1970's IIRC.

Another possible methos of supporting the plate while riviting would be to make a hardy tool that stands up with a slot for the arches to fit. A quick and dirty method would be to take some square stock and bend it back onto itself with a space the thickness you want to leave open for the arches to pass and then forge the bend end to fit the hardy hole.

Remember if they are trying to make it *exactly* like the original to use real wrought iron and not mild steel!

Thomas

[iknowablacksmith]

Originally Posted by ThomasPowers

There is a plan for making a toaster in one of the issues of "Early American Life" from the 1970's IIRC.

Another possible methos of supporting the plate while riviting would be to make a hardy tool that stands up with a slot for the arches to fit. A quick and dirty method would be to take some square stock and bend it back onto itself with a space the thickness you want to leave open for the arches to pass and then forge the bend end to fit the hardy hole.

Remember if they are trying to make it *exactly* like the original to use real wrought iron and not mild steel!

Thomas

Does that magazine still exist? I wonder if they would have back issues.....?

When you say a "hardy tool", is this the name of an actual device, or is it just a tool that is "hardy"? (Remember: moron, here!)

I saw the base plate he is going to use, and it was most definitely iron. I assume he will be using iron for the arches.....but i'll be sure to mention that, anyway.

Continuing thanks!


- Lincoln -

[irnsrgn]

I hate to throw a monkey wrench in, but riveting is the process of joining two pieces with a rivet, to make them fast or held together the rivet end opposite the head is bradded to form a head. The parts in question on the toaster could have been been bradded very easily with a small cross pein riveting hammer. This is one of the first lessons I learned during my apprenticeship as we did a lot of riveting pieces of wood together with a burr or close fitting washer on the rivet end that was bradded.

[Mr Smith]

It looks like we're getting there!

I'm gonna try and draw up a plan of how *I* would approach making one of these, and post it later on (Tuesday AM).

The square hole in the anvil is the "hardy hole", therefore any tool that fits into this hole is a "hardy tool". Not sure on the linguistic origins of the name, though

[iknowablacksmith]

Originally Posted by Mr Smith

It looks like we're getting there!

I'm gonna try and draw up a plan of how *I* would approach making one of these, and post it later on (Tuesday AM).

The square hole in the anvil is the "hardy hole", therefore any tool that fits into this hole is a "hardy tool". Not sure on the linguistic origins of the name, though

Please do! And thank you! I'll be checking back tomorrow (i think i am about 11 hours behind you.....at least until the clocks change!), and for as long as this takes.

(Thanks for the "hardy tool" explanation, too!)

Cheers!


- Lincoln -

[Mr Smith]

Here you go!

This is how *I* would approach the making of one of these. All comments / additions, suggestions - I know there'll be plenty - please add your $0.02 worth, guys.

Apologies for the image quality - I knocked this up in about 15 min :-)